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in about ten minutes, president obama will be talking about the economy from the battlegrod state of ohio. the president expected to make a big announcement about the bush era tax cuts and it a huge impact on the midterm elections. plus, the mayor of detroit is about to talk about those 85 fires that devastated much of the city over the past 24 hours. we are waiting to hear an update on that big story as well. but right now, we're waiting for pastor terry jones to hold that news conference outside of his church in gainesville, florida. his congregation numbers about 50 people a very small church. but his plan to burn copieses of the koran this saturday has worldwide attention drawn to it. it has pro-poke voeked outrage in afghanistan and elsewhere in the muslim world and here in the states. among the latest to condemn this plan, the vatican. secretary of state hillary clinton, robert gates and top adviser to the white house, david axelrod. still earlier today, pastor
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jones told nbc newsç kerry sanders he's going ahead with the burnings unless he receives instructions from god to do otherwise. >> we will definitely think about it, pray about it. >> so you may not burn? >> we may reconsider it, that is true. >> nbc's kerry sanders joins me now live from gainesville, florida. i understand there's some activity. so i'm assuming that is pastor jones walking out there behind you? >> he is. he's walking up to the podium here. while we wait for him to get ready to speak, let's point out that just within the last 20 minutes, a representative from the islamic faith, imama mohammad azari came to the church here, attempted to, i guess, speak or confront the pastor here. there was a small gattering down at the church and then the imam went one direction and now we see the pastor coming to the podium here. so let's stop and listen to pastor jones.
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>> you can faintly hear pastor terry jones in the background. i'm not able to understand what he is saying, but kerry sanders, as you know, standing not very far away covering this story. i'm not here if kerry can hear us at this point either. but again, this is this pastor terry jones. he's planning, as he say, to burn the koran. i think we've worked out the audio. let's listen in. >> i believe what has sometimes escaped the news media, we have also received quite a bit of support. just yesterday we got a phone
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call from a retired special force green beret, delta force. it's his opinion that people from the field, the special forces he told us are ç100% behind us. he was saying that it was there in yugoslavia when the radical muslims, and that is the element that we are aiming at. that is the element that we want for them to back down. he said he was there in yugoslavia when they burnt down 150 churches. he said he was there as a three-story building that was a hospital, a three-story building full of christians was burnt to
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the ground, and they were allowed to do nothing. because of international pressure, because of policies. they were allowed to do nothing. our military men who are trained to rescue lives, to save lives, to protect our country stood in front of a three-story hospital filled with christians and watched it burn to the ground, watched those people scream for their life, and because of our policies whatever they may be called, because of our policies, we were not allowed to do anything. we were not allowed to call attention to something being wrong. it is possibly time for us in a new way to actually stand up, confront terrorism.
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there is something very wrong with our policies when we watch a building full of building -- >> we are listening to the florida pastor who is planning to burn the koran, copies of ko on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. kerry sanders is covering this for us. he's standing by and we hope to have kerry join us in a few minutes. some had speculated and thought that with general david petraeus and others coming out andç sayg the lives of troops in afghanistan and elsewhere could be jeopardized as a result of this stunt, or whatever you wish to call it, would affect the situation and the safety of those troops. that perhaps this pastor would decide not to go through with the burnings of the koran. he's not changing his mind. kerry sanders is standing by not far away from where the pastor
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is standing. and we don't have kerry yet? >> i think a lot of people don't realize this part of the story, this is a violation a city ordinance. there are great debates over freedom of peach or whatever, religion, whatever dinner table conversations. the bottom line is the fire department and the city says that this church cannot go ahead with this because of an ordinance there. >> yes. but you have to understand, it's a very strange convoluted way to get to the violation of the ordinance, because the ordinance does allow for children to sit in the backyard with their parents and make a little campfire. but the city police say they interpret the ordinance, which has been on the books for about a year, that this burning in your yard needs to be twigs or branches. it cannot be a book. and here's the strange interpretation that they're using to get to that point. they say the ink on the pages of the koran would be a toxic
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release if they were to burn it. and because the ink is toxic, it is illegal to burn the books. so let's go to president obama here who's just walking out now and we'll hear more from the folks here a little bit later. >> kerry sanders live for us in gainesville. as he mentioned, president obama in ohio. big speech. he's taking a strong stand on the bush tax cuts. already, we have excerpts of the president's speech where he says the united states cannot afford the $700 billion price tag to keep lore tax rates for the highest wage earners. the president also expected to say millionaires don't need a tax cut. they're less likely to spend the money and help the economy. let's listen into the president. >> somebody who i believe is one of the finest governors in this country, ted strictland is here. >> the lieutenantç governor an
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soon to be senator in the state of illinois -- i mean ohio, lee fisher is here. i used to hear that line all the time about that senator from illinois. that would be me. outstanding mayor of cleveland, frank jackson is here. the mayor of parma. somebody is fighting for work and families each and every day, senator sharon brown is here. and three of the hardest working and finest members of the house of representatives dennis
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kusinic, marsha and john. good afternoon, everybody. it is good to be back in ohio. in 2008, one of my last rallies in my presidential campaign was right here in the cleveland area. it was a hopeful time. just two days before the election. and we knew that if we pulled it off, we'd finally have the chance to tackle some big and difficult challenges that had been facing this country for a very long time. we also hoped for a chance to get beyond some of the old political divides between democrats and republicans, red
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states and blue states that had prevented us from making progress. because asç though we are prou to be democrats, we are prouder to be americans. and we believe -- and we believed then and we believe now that no singer party has a monopoly on wisdom. now, that's not to say the election didn't expose deep differences between the parties. i ran for president much of the last decade, a specific philosop philosophy reigned about how government should work. cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires. cut regulations for special
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interests. cut trade deals, even if they didn't benefit our workers. cut back on investments in our people and in our future. in education and clean energy and research and technology. the idea was that if we just had blind faith in the market, if we let corporations play by their own rules, if we left everyone else to fend for themselves, then america would grow and america would prosper. and for a time, this idea gave us the illusion of prosperity. we saw financial firms and ceos take in record profits and record moments. we saw housing booms that led to new homeowners and new jobs and construction. consumers bought more condos and bigger cars and better tvs.
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but while this was happening, the broader the economy was weak weakening. nobody understood this better than ohio. job growth between 2000 and 2008 was lowerç than it had been in any economic expansion since world war ii. slower than it's been over the last year. the wages and incomes of middle class families kept falling. while the cost of everything from tuition to health care kept on going up. folks were forced to put more debt on their credit cards and borrow against homes that many
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couldn't afford to buy in the first place. and meanwhile a failure to pay for two wars and two tax cuts for the wealthy helped turn a record surplus into a record deficit. i ran for president because i believed that this kind of economy was unsustainable for the middle class and for the future of our nation. i ran because i had a different idea about how america was built. it was an idea rooted in my own family story. you see, michelle an i are where we are today because even though our families didn't have much, they worked tirelessly without
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complaint so that we might have a better life. my grandfather marched off to europe in world war ii while my grandmother worked in factory obs the home front. i had a single mom who put herself through school and would wake before dawn to make sure i got a decent education. michelle can still remember her father heading out to his job as a city worker long after multiple laker rosclerosis made impossible for him to walk without crutches. he always made it to work. he just had to wake up a little earlier. yes, our families believed in the american values of self-reliance and individual responsibility, and they instilled those values in their children.ç
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but they also believe in a country that rewards responsibility and hard work, a country built on the promise of opportunity and upward mobility. they believed in an america that gave my grandfather a chance to go to college because of the gi bill. on the america that gave my grandparents a chance to buy a home because of the federal housing authority. an america that gave their children and grandchildren the chance to fulfill our dreams of college loans. and college scholarships. they didn't buy things you couldn't afford, where we didn't just think about today. we thought about tomorrow. on america that took pride in the goods that we made, not just the things we consumed. an america where a rising tide
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did lift all boats from the company ceo to the guy on the assembly live. that's the america i believe in. that's the america i believe in. on the south side of the chicago when i was a community organizers, it's what led me to run for president. because i don't believe that we can have a strong and growing economy without a strong and growing middle class. now much has happened since that
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election. the flawedç policies, and economic weaknesses of the previous decade culminated in a financial crisis and the worst recession of our lifetimes. and my hope was that the crisis would cause everybody, democrats and republicans to pull together and tackle our problems in a practical way. but as we know, things didn't work out that way. some republican leaders figured it was smart politics to sit on the sidelines and let democrats solve the mess. others believed on principle that government shouldn't meddle in the markets, even when the markets are broken. but with the nation losing nearly 800,000 jobs the month that i was sworn into office,
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the most urgent task was to stop a financial meltdown and prevent this recession from becoming a second depression. in ohio, we have done that. the economy is growing again. the financial market have stabilize. the private sector has created jobs for the last eight months in a row. and there are roughly 3 million americans working today because of the economic plan we put into place. but the truth is, progress has been painfully slow. millions of jobs were lost before our policies even had a
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chance to take effect. we lost 4 million jobs in the six months before i took office. it was a hole so deep that even though we've added jobs again, millions of americans remain unemployed. hundreds of thousands of families have lost their homes. millions more can barely pay the bills or make the mortgage.ç the middle class is still treading water. and those aspiring to reach the middle class are doing everything they can to keep from drowning. and meanwhile, some of the very steps that were necessary to save the economy, like temporarily supporting the banks and the auto industry fed the perception that washington is still ignoring the middle class in favor of special interests.
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people are frustrated and angry and anxious about the future. i understand that. i also understand in a political campaign, the easiest thing for other people to do is to ride the fear and anger all the way to election day. now, it would be one thing if he admitted his party's mistakes during the eight years they were in power. they had gone off for a while and meditated and come back and offered a credible new approach to solving our country's problems. but that's not what happened. there were no new policies from
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mr. boehner. there were no new ideas. there was just the same philosophy that he hwe had already tried during the decade they were in power. there was just the same philosophy that led to this mess in the first place -- cut more taxes for millionaires and cut more rules for corporations. instead of coming together, their argument is that we should left insurance companies to go back denying care for folks who are sick. or let credit card companies go back to raising rates without any reason.ç instead of setting our sites higher, they're asking for the status quo of eroding competitiveness and a shrinking middle class.
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now cleveland, that is not the america i know. that is not the america we believe in. a lot has changed since i came here in the final days of the last election. but what hasn't changed is the choice facing this country. it's still fear versus hope. the past versus the future. it's still a choice between sliding backward and moving forward. that's what this election is about. that's the choice that you will face in november. we have a different vision for the future.
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i never believed the governments was the answer to all our problems. i believe it's the drive and ingenuity of our entrepreneurs, the businesses that made us the wealthiest nation on earth. i believe it's the private sector that must be the main engine for our recovery. i believe government should be lean, government should be efficient. i believe government should be free to make choices they think are best for themselves and their families. so lompb long as their choices don't hurt others.ç but in the words of the first
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republican president, abraham lincoln, i also believe that government should do for the people what they cannot do better for themselves. and that means making the long-term investments in this country's future that individuals and corporations can't make on their own. investments in education and clean energy. and basic research and technology and technology and infrastructure. that means making sure corporations live up to their responsibilities, to treat consumers fairly and play by the same rules as everybody else. the a responsibility to look out for their workers as well as
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their shareholders, and create jobs at home. and that means providing a hand up for middle class family, so that if they work hard and meet their responsibilities, they can afford to raise their children and send them to college, see a doctor when they get sick, retire with dignity and respect. that's what we democrats believe in. a vibrant free market, but one that works for everybody. that's our vision. that's our vision for a stronger economy and a growing middle class. and that's the difference between what we and republicans in congress are offering the american people right now.
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let me give you an example of our different approaches. this week, i offered a program to help businesses spur hiring. one of the keys in job creation is to encourage companies to invest more in the united states. but for years, our tax code as actually given million bls of dollars of tax breaks that encourage jobs to create profits in other countries. i want to change that. i want to change that. tin stead of lax loopholes that incentivize investment in overseas job, i'm proposing a more generous permanent extension of the tax credit that goes to companies for all the research and invasion they do right here in ohio, right here in the united states of america.
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and i'm proposing all american businesses should be allowed to write off all the investment they do in 2011. and this will help small businesses upgrade their plants and equipment and will encourage large corporations to get off the sidelines and put their profits to work in places like cleveland and toledo and dayton. now, for most of you, this probably seems like common sense. but not to mr. boehner. when mr. boehner was here in cleveland, he attacked us for closing a few of these loopholes
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and using the money to help states like o hio keep hundreds of thousands of teachers and cops and firefighters on the job. mr. boehner dismissed these jobs we saved teaching our kids, patrolling our streets, rushing into burning buildings as, quote, government jobs. jobs, i guess, he thought just weren't worth saving. and i couldn't disagree more. i think teachers and police officers andç firefighters are part of what keeps america strong. and ohio, i think if we're going to give tax breaks to companies, they should go to companies that create jobs here in america, not that create jobs overseas.
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that's one difference between the republican vision and the democratic vision. that's what this election is all about. let me give you another example. we want to put more americans back to work rebuilding america. our roads, our railways, our runways. when the housing sector collapsed and the recession hit, 1 in every 4 jobs lost were in the construction industry. that's why our economic plan has invested in infrastructure projects. not just bridges but high-speed railroads and expanded broadband
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projects. this has led to thousands of private sector jobs, especially for those in the trades. mr. boehner and the republicans in congress said no to these projects. fought them tooth and nail. i should say it didn't stop a lot of them from showing up at the ribbon cuttings, trying to take credit. that's always a sight to see. now, there are still thousands of miles of railroads and railways and runways left to repair and improve. and engineers, economists, governors, mayors of every political stripe believe that if we want to compete in this global economy, we need to rebuild this vital infrastructure. there is no reason europe or china should have the fastest trains or the most modern airports.
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we want to put america toç wor building them right here in america. so this week, i proposed a six-year infrastructure plan that would start putting americans to work right away. but despite the fact that this has traditionally been an issue with bipartisan support, mr. boehner has so far said no to infrastructure. that's bad for america. and that, too, is what this election is all about. i'll give you one final example of the difference between us and republicans. that's the issue of tax cuts. under the tax plan passed by the last administration, taxes are scheduled to go up substantially next year.
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for everybody. by the way, this was by design. when they passed these tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, they didn't want everybody to know what it would do to our deficit, so they pretended like they were going to end, even though now they say they don't. now, i believe we ought to make the tax cuts for the middle class permanent. for the middle class. permanent. these families are the ones who saw their wages and incomes flat line over the last decade. you deserve a break. you deserve some help. and because folks in the middle class are more likely to spend
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their tax cuts on basic necessities, that strengthens the economy as a whole. but the republican leader of the house doesn't want to stop there. make no mistake. he and his party believe we should also give a permanent tax cut to the wealthiest 2% of americans.ç with all the budgetary pressures we have, with all the republicans' talk about wanting to shrink the deficit, they would have us borrow $700 billion over the next ten years to give a tax cut of about $100,000 each to folks who are already millionaires. and keep in mind, wealthy americans are just about the
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only folks who saw their incomes rise when republicans were in charge. and these are the folks who are less likely to spend the money. which is why economists don't think tax breaks for the wealthy would do much to boost the economy. so let me be clear to mr. boehner and everybody else. we should not hold middle class tax cuts hostage any longer. we are ready this week if we want to give tax cuts to every american making $250,000 or less. that's 98%, 97% of the americans.
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now for any income over this amount, the tax rates would go back to what they were under president clinton. this isn't to punish folks who are better off. god bless them. it's because we want afford the $700 billion price tag. and for those who claim our approach would somehow be bad for growth and bad for businesses, withç those tax ras in place in place under president clinton, this country created 22 million jobs, created income and had the largest surplus in our history.
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in fact, if republican leadership in congress really wants to help small businesses, they'll stop using legislative maneuvers to block an up or down vote on a small business jobs bill that's before the senate right now. right now. this is a bill that would do two things. cut taxes for small businesses and make loans more available for small businesses. it's already paid for, won't add to the deficit, and it was written by democrats and republicans. and yet the other part continues to block this jobs bill. a delay small business owners has said is actually leeing them to put off hiring.
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i recognize that most of the republicans in congress have said no to just about every policy i proposed since taking office. i realize in some cases that there are genuine philosophical differences. but on issues like this one, a tax cut of small businesses, supported by the chamber of commerce, the only reason they're holding this up is politics. pure and simple. they're making the same calculation they made just before my inauguration. if i fail, they win. well, they might think that this
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will get them to where they want to go in novembeget our country needs to go in the long run. it won't get us there. it won't get us there. it won't get us there. so that's the choice, ohio. do we return to the same poll sthas ran our economy into a ditch. or do we ke moving forward with policies that are slowly pulling us out?
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do we settle for a slow decline? or do we reach for an america with a growing economy and a thriving middle class? we may not be there yet, but we know where this country needs to go. we see a future where we invest in american invasion and american ingenuity. where we export more goods so we create more jobs here at home. i want to see s-- i don't want e electric cars or solar panels made in europe. i want to see them made here in the us of a by american workers.
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we set a goal to once again have the highestç proportion of the college graduates in the world by 2020. that's why we're revitalizing community colleges like this one. that's why we're reforming our education system based on what works for our children, not what perpetuates the status quo. we see an america where a
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growing middle sclasz the beating heart of a growing economy. that's why i kept my campaign promise and gave a middle class tax cut to 95% of working americans. that's why we passed health insurance reform that stopped health insurance companies from jacking up your premiums at will or denying you coverage if you get sick. that's why we passed financial reform that will end taxpayer funded bailouts, reform that will stop credit card companies, and mortgage lenders from taking advantage of tax pairs and consumers. that's why we're trying to make it easier for workers to save for retirement. and fighting to privatize social security. as long as i'm president, no one is going to take the retirement savings of a generation of
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americans and hand it over to wall street. not on my watch. that's why we're fighting to extend the child tax credit and make permanent our new college tax credit. because if we do, it will mean $10,000 in tuition relief for each child going to four years of college. and i don't want any parent not to be sending their kids in gooç times or bad to college because they can't afford it. and finally, we see an america where we refuse to pass on the debt we inherited to the next generation. let me spend just a minute on
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this issue. we heard a lot of moralizing on the other side about this. government spending and debt. along for president tax dpurts the wealthy, the other party's main economic proposal is they'll stop government spending. now, it's right to be concerned about the long-term deficit. if we don't get a handle on it soon, it can endanger or future. and at a time when folks are tightening their get belts at home, i understand why a lot of americans feel it's time for the government to show some discipline, too. but let's look at the facts. when these same republicans, including mr. boehner were in charge, the number of earmarks and pet projects went up, not down.
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these same republicans turned a record surplus into a record deficit. when i walked in, wrapped in a nice bow was a $1.3 trillion deficit. sitting right there on my doorstep. a welcoming present. just the same year, they voted against a bipartisan fiscal commission that they themselves had proposed. once i decided i was for it, they were against it. and when you ask them what programs they would actually t cut, they don't have an answer. that's not fiscal responsibility, that's not a serious plan to govern.ç
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i'll be honest, i refuse to cut back on the investments that will grow our economy in the future. investments in areas like education and clean energy and technology. i don't want to cut those things. and that's because economic growth is the single best way to bring down the deficit. and we need these investments to grow. i'm absolutely committed to fiscal responsibility, which is why i already proposed freezing discretionary spending related to national security for the next three years. and once the bipartisan fiscal commission finishes its work, i'll spend the next work making the tough choices necessary to further reduce our deficit and lower our debt.
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whether i get help from the other side or not. of course, reducing the deficit won't be easy. making up for the 8 million lost jobs caused by this recession won't happen overnight. not everything we've done over the last two years has worked as quickly as we had hoped. and i am keenly aware that not all of our policies have been popular. so no, our job is not easy. but you didn't elect me to do what was easy. you dependent elect me to just read the polls and figure out how to keep myself in office. you didn't elect me to avoid big
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problems. you elected me to do what was right. and as long as i'm president, that's exactly what i intend to do.ç [ applause ] this country is emerging from an incredibly difficult in its history. an era of irresponsibility that stretched from wall street to washington and had a devastating effect on a lot of people. we had started turning the
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corner on that era. but part of moving forward is returning to the time honored values that built this country. hard work and self-reliance. responsibility for our ourselves, but also responsibility for one another. it's about moving from an attitude that said, what's in it for me to one that asks, what's best for america? what's best for all our workers? what's best for all our businesses? what's best for all of our children? these values are not democratic or republican. they are not conservative or liberal values. they are american values. as democrat, we take pride in what our party has accomplished over the last century.
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social security and the minimum wage. the gi bill and medicare, civil rights and workers rights and womens rights. but we also recognize that throughout our history, there has been a noble republican vision as well. of what this country can be. it was the vision of abraham lincoln who launched the transcon nennal railroad.ç the vision of teddy roosevelt who used the power of government to break up monopolies. the vision of dwight eisenhower, who helped build the interstate highway system. and yes, the vision of ronald reagan who, despite his aversion to government, was willing to help save social security for future generations, working with democrats.
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these were serious leaders for serious times. there were great politicians, but they didn't spend all their time playing games or scoring points. they didn't always prey on people's fears and anxieties. they did what they thought was in the best interest of their country and its people. and that's what the american people expect of us today. democrats, independents, and republicans. that's the debate they deserve. that's the leadership we owe them. i know that folks are worried about the future. i know there's still a lot of hurt out there. and when times are tough, i know it can be tempting to give into
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cynicism and fear and doubt and division. to just settle our sights a little bit lower, settle for something a little bit less. but that's not who we are, ohio. those are not the values that built this country. we are here today because in the worst of times the people who came before us brought out the best many america. our parents and grandparents and great grandparents were willing to work and sacrifice for us. they were willing to take great risks and face great hardship and reach for a future that would give us the chance at a better life. they knew this country was greater than the sum of its parts. america is not about the ambitions of any one individual,
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but theç aspirations of an ente people, an entire nation. that's who we are. that is our legacy. and i'm convinced that if we're willing to summon the values today and if we're willing to choose hope over fear and choose the future over the past and come together once more around the great project of national renewal, then we will restore our economy and rebuild our middle class and reclaim the american dream for the next generation, thank you. god bless you and may god bless the united states of america. >> let's get some quick reaction to the president's speech in ohio. we've got karen finney and dylan r radigan. the president going after john boehner personally. >> the campaign season is upon us now. the cadence, the themes the president is using there.
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it clearly had political overtones there. setting up john boehner as the man, the punching bag for democrats running this fall and they are in serious danger, virtually everyone agrees, of losing the house and perhaps even the senate. two weeks ago, boehner took a shot at not only the president but the entire economic team saying they should fire or resign. very intentionally, the president going back to cleveland, having economic proposals put on the table. research and development, the capital investments fsh busin s businesses. a lot of these things aren't going to see the light of day, and perhaps not under a republican congress if one is sworn in next year, at least, in the house. what is going to be fought, however, what he's talking about, those tax cuts is going to be the ground on which this campaign is going to be fought. >> let me bring you in on this. the president saying it is time tom extend the bush era tax cuts for the middle class but not for the wealthy. cow couples making over
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$250,000, individuals making over $200,000. also companies, businesses that provide jobs abroad and not hire american workers. >> right. yeah, you know, remember earlier in the summer, part of the stheem that ttheme that the white house and hill ueiu(j the made in america. obviously very important to talk about the middle class. that's the bread and butter for the democratic party. this is also a personal speech. he seemed to talk more about the vision of america. frankly a lot of people wanted him to say it. >> he got personal, bringing up the first lady's personal story. i've got dylan radigan. did you hear anything different, innovative, inspiring from your perspective? the brass tacks of this proposal? >> here's the confusing thing about this president, period. his rhetoric can be incredibly compelling. he understands how to draw the
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narrative, basically to create a magnet to bring money, to bring investment into america as opposed to basically have america be a vampire from which money is taken. and yet the policies of this president, and more importantly, this congress, or equally important, i should say, this congress, and previous presidents -- i look at barack obama as our president, and i feel like the best thing he has going for him is that the republican proposals tend to be vastly worse than what the trat democrats come up with. but they're unwillingness to engage in the structural corruption of the system. but listen to the rhetoric, when you look at did they break up the boonks, are they standing up looking at carolina. is there incentive to invest in retirement money. is there incentives for the made in america jobs karen finney is talking about and the truth of
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the matter is there is not. they had an opportunity to do it policy wise. i'm not saying that's the president's fault, but there's a gap between what the president says and does. that's a huge risk for him. he's fortunate that his opponent may be less qualified than he. >> and gap between some of the policies and changes by the administration and the millions of people who are still out of work at this time. >> massive. >> we'll have much more reaction on the president's latest speech regarding the economy, his proposal and his welcomeness now to take on the republicans specifically, john banenerç th speech that you just heard a minute ago. of course, you can catch more of what dylan thinks about the president's speech on his show this evening 4:00 eastern time. isle be watching. tonight, dylan will talk with white house economic adviser arthur goolsby. i'm tamron hall. join me again tomorrow. each weekday, 11:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m. eastern time. chris jansing will pick up our
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